CineForm products

[David Newman]

ADMIN EDIT (25 Jan 2009):
THIS IS NOW OUTDATED, AND THERE
IS NO HV20.COM DISCOUNT GIVEN
BY CINEFORM.

In recent weeks we have been receiving more and more traffic from the HV20.com forum to the CineForm.com domain. We thank you for the attention. Unfortunately a lot of posts are themed on how not to use CineForm, while these posts acknowledge the convenience/quality our products offer, the hobbiest user is concerned by the expense of a product designed for professional customer base. Popular features like real-time capture, compression with automatic pulldown removal to 24p, were orginally developed for Canon XL-H1 over AJA Xena HDSDI cards, not for Canon HV20s via Black Magic Intensity cards.

To help with the hobbiest or part-time professional usage of CineForm tools, we are offering a promotion discount code on NEO HDV, NEO HD and Aspect HD (and now Prospect HD.) You can get upto $200 off using code "HV20Forum", a 20% discount from these products:

This will get you:
NEO HD for $479 (down from $599) - code HV20Forum
NEO HDV for $199 (down from $249) - code HV20Forum
Aspect HD for $399 (down from $499) - code HV20Forum
Prospect HD for $799 (down from $999) - code HV20Forum


P.S. Enter the Promomtion Code on Shipping Instructions page when ordering the product.

See http://www.cineform.com for product details.

[tcindie]

That's very generous.. Thank you David.

[harshvfx]

Im a noob, but does this mean that it wont do the auto pull down? Thanks

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

This rocks, thanks David. This was much needed, as the people who bought the HV20 are non-pros mostly, and they are in need of your tools.

[tcindie]

Im a noob, but does this mean that it wont do the auto pull down? Thanks

I'm sure David will correct me if I'm wrong, but all three of the discounted Cineform products should be able to automatically remove pulldown from HV20 footage.

In fact I'm pretty sure he will confirm this.. In a comment on a blog entry discussing Working with 24p from Canon HV20, David said:

"All the CineForm PC products support real-time pulldown extract from any 24p camera (HV20 and V1U fully tested), whether from Firewire, disk/flash based media, or live from HDMI or HDSDI sources."

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

"Automatically", after you select the right settings that is.

[tcindie]

well yes. that's why I said automatically.. not automagically.

[africanmarty]

well yes. that's why I said automatically.. not automagically.

this made me luagh

[SalaTar]

Must be the Giving Season

[David Newman]

Sorry for my confusing post, yes all our packages include the live, pre-recorded pulldown removal.

[lordtangent]

Thanks for the great offer David!

Would somebody make this sticky please?

[Rikki]

Its not often you get companies listening and responding to users and potential users. Pat on the back for that man!

[David Newman]

It is the best way to advertise when you don't have the budget for anything in print (which is questionable use of money.) Everyone at CineForm tries to spend some time in forums, as it also lightens the load on support.

[twoneil]

Ok, I found the comparison on the cineform website.

I'm choosing between the Neo HD and Aspect HD.

Which one should I choose??
Which one is the best for my system?

I use a laptop Core Duo 1.66ghz 1GB ram, and video captured through Firewire.
I have the premiere pro 1.5




The discount is very enticing I must admit.

Unless that is a recent laptop, it might a little under powered. If it is a core 2 duo, than you are likely OK.

NEO is a capture and conversion utility with encoding licenses for use in tools like Sony Vegas and After Effect etc. NEO HDV and NEO HD just vary in resolution (1440x1080 HDV vs 1920x1080 HD) and bit-depth (8 vs 10-bit.) More NEO info here: http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoHD.htm

Aspect HD is everything in NEO plus direct integration to Premiere Pro. This enables batch capture directly into a Premiere project and real-time editing performance through the CineForm video pipeline. Real-time support include a range or transitions, color correction, motion, pip overlays, opacity and titling. More Aspect HD info here: http://www.cineform.com/products/Aspect-Prospect.htm

If you are using Premiere Pro, you will want Aspect HD (it is our most popular tool.)

All our software is available for a 15-day fully-featured trial.

GREAT! Thanks David for the quick response.
I will download the trial and see if it works on my very humble system.
I've been waiting to get the cineform for quite sometime.

[David Newman]

What is the difference between them three? (Neo HD HDV....vs Aspect)
I'm looking at the cineform home page but I can't seem to find it. (I'll find it eventually)
I guess I would like to have a quick answer.


Which one is the best for the budget?

The discount is enticing.

I use a laptop 1.66ghz 1GB ram, and video captured through Firewire.

Unless that is a recent laptop, it might a little under powered. If it is a core 2 duo, than you are likely OK.


NEO is a capture and conversion utility with encoding licenses for use in tools like Sony Vegas and After Effect etc. NEO HDV and NEO HD just vary in resolution (1440x1080 HDV vs 1920x1080 HD) and bit-depth (8 vs 10-bit.) More NEO info here: http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoHD.htm

Aspect HD is everything in NEO plus direct integration to Premiere Pro. This enables batch capture directly into a Premiere project and real-time editing performance through the CineForm video pipeline. Real-time support include a range or transitions, color correction, motion, pip overlays, opacity and titling. More Aspect HD info here: http://www.cineform.com/products/Aspect-Prospect.htm

If you are using Premiere Pro, you will want Aspect HD (it is our most popular tool.)

All our software is available for a 15-day fully-featured trial.

[zcream]

Can Aspect HD be used with Premiere Elements ? Elements allows Premiere Pro plugins so..
Just wondering..

[David Newman]

Can Aspect HD be used with Premiere Elements ? Elements allows Premiere Pro plugins so..
Just wondering..

I never seen or tried Elements, which gives you an idea of the market we normally service -- this has not come up before. You could experiment.

[tcindie]

Ok, I found the comparison on the cineform website.

I'm choosing between the Neo HD and Aspect HD.

Which one should I choose??
Which one is the best for my system?

I use a laptop Core Duo 1.66ghz 1GB ram, and video captured through Firewire.
I have the premiere pro 1.5

Ouch.. working with video on that must be brutal.. the speed isn't terrible though it could be better... but the 1gb of ram is certainly a bottleneck.

[twoneil]

Ouch.. working with video on that must be brutal.. the speed isn't terrible though it could be better... but the 1gb of ram is certainly a bottleneck.

Do you think the speed will improve greatly if I add another 1gb?
(obviously yes; but how many times?)

I guess 2x 512mb are installed in my laptop.

[David Newman]

Do you think the speed will improve greatly if I add another 1gb?
(obviously yes; but how many times?)

I guess 2x 512mb are installed in my laptop.

1GB is OK for CineForm tools, if you are not running Vista. 2GB help around 20% on getting reliable performance.

[CBarce]

Nice offer David. To all of those who don't know it, Cineform has been around several years providing intermediate codecs and editing enhancements for professional editing systems. I have regularly recommended NeoHDV for people's 24p needs on this forum, and this offer sweetens the recommendation. I use NeoHDV for pull down for editing in Vegas, and regularly convert HV20 captures to 24p avi files without a problem.

[brido]

I really have to plead poor (BUT not knocking the very generous offer of yours David) I have found moving to HDV "very" expensive with camera and upgraded software. (And I am an aged pensioner... I love my hobby!))

I do have PP2 and premiere CS3.

My question is will I be able to use the cheapest -Neo HDV- with Premiere Products. I accept that they will not be integrated.

I also am one of those who is having humongous difficulties with audio synch in CS3; do you think this will solve or help solve these difficulties.

PS would you consider buying out Premiere!!! You do a better job then they do!

[RobPhoboS]

I think this offer is fantastic but to the Premiere Pro users, Aspect isn't much use to us as we cant capture at full resolution.
Now to be honest, I dont mind not capturing with Premiere so I presume I can use one of your other programs to capture full resolution from the HV20 ?

[David Newman]

Rob,

Remember full resolution and HV20, or not that related. Internally the camera processes 1440x1080 4:2:2, so that is the full resolution, yet it is upscaled in camera to go out HDMI. For Intensity uses capturing 1920x1080, you either want NEO HD or Prospct HD.

[RobPhoboS]

Hi David.
So if I purchased Neo HD, I can capture the footage using your HDLink app (nice) BUT if I want to edit the footage in premiere pro I presume it wouldn't work ?
So I would end up needing Prospect HD anyway ?

Also, when we are using programs like Fusion and After Effects can they support the codec ?
Cheers!

p.s
I pray that you make the CineForm HDMI DDR, this would be soo useful... however I'm concerned about the possible price (not that I can see one).